Game of Thrones Episode 7 Theories: “The Dragon and The Wolf”

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  1. John says:

    Um actually…I’m not sure this is an um actually. Also, I apologize in advance for this novel of a post.

    There was discussion on this episode about how people will be upset if the ending is predictable, doesn’t make sense or if you figure it out ahead of time. If those are your criteria for success then I think, as a host of a podcast that discusses theories, your enjoyment is doomed. Game of Thrones has two writers. ASOIAF has one writer. The Song of Ice and Fire subreddit (just a portion of the online community) has 400,000 users with access to tools that can search the entire text of all of the books for clues. That’s basically a heuristic supercomputer being used to analyze the books and show and they are all trying to guess the outcomes for the various storylines. Three writers, no matter how talented they are, can not stand up to that kind of analysis and produce a work that is emotionally satisfying, logical, and also not guessable. What’s more, those 400k users (with all of their ideas), are going to vote the most interesting, logical, and emotionally satisfying guesses to the top. Meaning that not only is the ending going to be guessed by someone, but that ending (if it’s good) will most likely be voted into the view of the wider audience (like the audience of your show and even yourselves) well before the ending is revealed. At that point, what ending would not be predictable? Jon’s parentage was guessed over a decade ago, but it would not have been broadly accepted knowledge without the online community.

    Look, none of this would matter if the fandom wasn’t participating as a group. I could turn off your podcast and stop looking at Game of Thrones discussion boards like Reddit and not be exposed to the theories ahead of time. I doubt that I would, by myself, be able to guess the ending. But your show can’t exist in a vacuum like that because your show is part of the community that is doing the predicting. I get that theorizing is fun, but if it is actually ruining anyone’s enjoyment of the material then I don’t know why we’re doing it or why we should listen.

    I really like your show, but I’m also not basing my enjoyment on the community’s inability to analyze the material. I don’t think that there is any work of art in history that could stand up to the level of scrutiny described above. It’s frustrating to listen to a show and have a host indirectly imply that the point of the show is to ruin their enjoyment of the show’s subject. If GRRM and/or D&D can put together a satisfying ending that a group of 400k people (or millions of watchers) can’t collectively predict then they aren’t just the greatest writers since Shakespeare, they are the greatest writers to have ever existed.

    • Gene Lyons says:

      I won’t be upset if I can see the ending coming. I will be upset if there are no surprises along the way. I think that’s the general sentiment of the audience, especially now that we’ve gone off-book.

  2. Anne says:

    Umm… actually… you forgot something big.

    When you talked about not quite understanding Eddard Stark violating his intensely high sense of honor by lying about Jon being a Targerian, think again. There are two big reasons.

    Stark made a promise to his sister when she had the baby. He promised to protect Jon. There is absolutely no way he would violate this. They both knew Jon would die if anyone knew who his father was Jon would probably die.

    And there would be war. And Eddard would also die.

    And the man who would kill him out of anger would be Robert Barathian. Eddard would have to tell him that they started a war on false pretenses., that the love of Robert’s life walked away from him and into the arms of his great enemy.

    How do you think Robert would react to that?

    Add to this the fact that Robert is essentially Edwards brother and best friend… doesn’t this explain why Eddard kept his mouth shut even with Jon?

    • Gene Lyons says:

      Great points, Anne. Perhaps I wasn’t clear on the Small Council, but I acknowledged that Ed was keeping the secret to protect Aegon’s life, knowing any Targaryen child would be slaughtered. As I told Big D, this was revolution, and anyone related to the Mad King would be wiped out.

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